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		<title>By: Mahala Mazerov</title>
		<link>http://luminousheart.com/2009/06/meditation-on-suffering/comment-page-1/#comment-267</link>
		<dc:creator>Mahala Mazerov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amanda, thank  you! It&#039;s so amazing to think this post continues to feed your thoughts in so many directions. Just yesterday I was thinking how fast everything is moving, how a blog post makes an appearance for a week or two and then disappears forever. It is so gratifying to think that may not be the case.

Thanks, too, for your kind wishes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amanda, thank  you! It&#8217;s so amazing to think this post continues to feed your thoughts in so many directions. Just yesterday I was thinking how fast everything is moving, how a blog post makes an appearance for a week or two and then disappears forever. It is so gratifying to think that may not be the case.</p>
<p>Thanks, too, for your kind wishes.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for this post.  I keep coming back to it repetedly with different thoughts in mind.  It applies so much to everything in my life.  It is hard to take the path of adversity, but I do create a lot of my own suffering because I want things to be different, better, whatever, now!

I am sorry for your hardship and hope that things get better for you.

Namaste
.-= Amanda&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://dragonflykiss.blogspot.com/2009/12/i-think-ill-dance.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I Think I&#039;ll Dance&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for this post.  I keep coming back to it repetedly with different thoughts in mind.  It applies so much to everything in my life.  It is hard to take the path of adversity, but I do create a lot of my own suffering because I want things to be different, better, whatever, now!</p>
<p>I am sorry for your hardship and hope that things get better for you.</p>
<p>Namaste<br />
<span class="cluv"> Amanda&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://dragonflykiss.blogspot.com/2009/12/i-think-ill-dance.html" rel="nofollow">I Think I&#8217;ll Dance</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://luminousheart.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Mahala Mazerov</title>
		<link>http://luminousheart.com/2009/06/meditation-on-suffering/comment-page-1/#comment-62</link>
		<dc:creator>Mahala Mazerov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Mona, Bess &amp; Hazel for the kind comments you left here some time ago. 

&lt;b&gt;Mona&lt;/b&gt; ~ You are such an inspiration on the subject of taking good and kind care of oneself. I&#039;m happy to see your vibrant healthy face and hope all your health challenges are behind you now.

&lt;b&gt;Bess&lt;/b&gt; ~ When I share my experiences here, I&#039;m not really looking for advice. But I appreciate your thoughts just the same. You mentioned &quot;What would Buddhas or Bodhisattvas do?&quot; That question is always paramount in my mind. Unfortunately in this case it was the &lt;i&gt;principle&lt;/i&gt; reason for my complicated thought process as the proposed trip was to receive teachings from my heart&#039;s Lama. (Had this been just a vacation, I simply would have cancelled and rescheduled.)  A Buddha or Bodhisattva would make effort for the sake of Dharma &lt;i&gt;without a moments thought&lt;/i&gt; to the needs of their body. So, do I emulate them or focus on the physical needs of my body and the repercussions if I travel? 

I&#039;m not asking you to answer that question for me. I&#039;m simply pointing out that insights do not always lead to clear cut answers.

&lt;b&gt;Hazel&lt;/b&gt; As always, your words warm my heart. Your compassion flows so effortlessly. With palms together _(&#124;)_ I rejoice in your practices and their fruition. May all beings benefit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Mona, Bess &#038; Hazel for the kind comments you left here some time ago. </p>
<p><b>Mona</b> ~ You are such an inspiration on the subject of taking good and kind care of oneself. I&#8217;m happy to see your vibrant healthy face and hope all your health challenges are behind you now.</p>
<p><b>Bess</b> ~ When I share my experiences here, I&#8217;m not really looking for advice. But I appreciate your thoughts just the same. You mentioned &#8220;What would Buddhas or Bodhisattvas do?&#8221; That question is always paramount in my mind. Unfortunately in this case it was the <i>principle</i> reason for my complicated thought process as the proposed trip was to receive teachings from my heart&#8217;s Lama. (Had this been just a vacation, I simply would have cancelled and rescheduled.)  A Buddha or Bodhisattva would make effort for the sake of Dharma <i>without a moments thought</i> to the needs of their body. So, do I emulate them or focus on the physical needs of my body and the repercussions if I travel? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not asking you to answer that question for me. I&#8217;m simply pointing out that insights do not always lead to clear cut answers.</p>
<p><b>Hazel</b> As always, your words warm my heart. Your compassion flows so effortlessly. With palms together _(|)_ I rejoice in your practices and their fruition. May all beings benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: hazel colditz</title>
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		<dc:creator>hazel colditz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mahala!
love/compassion! i just love reading your thoughts...so similar to my thoughts and yet different because of life experiences/karma. we do innately hold onto to many attachments within our own minds that cause so much suffering. bless you for sharing your light and wisdom.
 i am your 21st comment...
MAHALA you have an abundance of love following you...your words themselves inspire, teach and reach many sentient beings on many levels of spiritual progress! may you always be happy and free from suffering...my wish for you, i take happily and give back freedom from your suffering.
hazel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mahala!<br />
love/compassion! i just love reading your thoughts&#8230;so similar to my thoughts and yet different because of life experiences/karma. we do innately hold onto to many attachments within our own minds that cause so much suffering. bless you for sharing your light and wisdom.<br />
 i am your 21st comment&#8230;<br />
MAHALA you have an abundance of love following you&#8230;your words themselves inspire, teach and reach many sentient beings on many levels of spiritual progress! may you always be happy and free from suffering&#8230;my wish for you, i take happily and give back freedom from your suffering.<br />
hazel</p>
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		<title>By: Bess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mahala, 

I enjoyed your post very much.  You&#039;ve illustrated the sufferings many people place on themselves, intentionally or unintentionally.  To this specific situation, it sounds like a struggle of interests and it seems you weren&#039;t ecstatic with the outcome either.  

To my understanding, the worries that trouble you may have to do with your attachment to conditions of the present and possible changes of the future, things that may or may not happen but haven&#039;t yet.  There are way too many &#039;what ifs&#039; in life.  How many can you possibly ponder and worry over?  One can only be as well-prepared for the future as possible, but one must live in the present, and presently, one should be happy and limit suffering.  The endless troubling thoughts that bother you creates stress and physical repercussions.

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a matter of leaping into the unknown, but rather how prepared you are in dealing with situations and still be at peace with what comes your way.  And in terms of releasing the attachments, I would suggest you see yourself in a second or even third person&#039;s perspective.  What would be the greatest compassionate action you would advise?  What is truly a greater good and more beneficial?  Or even ask, what would Buddhas and Boddhisattvas do?  Maybe with this practice or &#039;imitation&#039; of Buddhas and Boddhisattvas that we will soon be one and making decisions would be a breeze and worry-free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mahala, </p>
<p>I enjoyed your post very much.  You&#8217;ve illustrated the sufferings many people place on themselves, intentionally or unintentionally.  To this specific situation, it sounds like a struggle of interests and it seems you weren&#8217;t ecstatic with the outcome either.  </p>
<p>To my understanding, the worries that trouble you may have to do with your attachment to conditions of the present and possible changes of the future, things that may or may not happen but haven&#8217;t yet.  There are way too many &#8216;what ifs&#8217; in life.  How many can you possibly ponder and worry over?  One can only be as well-prepared for the future as possible, but one must live in the present, and presently, one should be happy and limit suffering.  The endless troubling thoughts that bother you creates stress and physical repercussions.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a matter of leaping into the unknown, but rather how prepared you are in dealing with situations and still be at peace with what comes your way.  And in terms of releasing the attachments, I would suggest you see yourself in a second or even third person&#8217;s perspective.  What would be the greatest compassionate action you would advise?  What is truly a greater good and more beneficial?  Or even ask, what would Buddhas and Boddhisattvas do?  Maybe with this practice or &#8216;imitation&#8217; of Buddhas and Boddhisattvas that we will soon be one and making decisions would be a breeze and worry-free.</p>
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		<title>By: TIPs - June 14, 2009 &#124; Your Happiness Power</title>
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		<dc:creator>TIPs - June 14, 2009 &#124; Your Happiness Power</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 08:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mona Grayson</title>
		<link>http://luminousheart.com/2009/06/meditation-on-suffering/comment-page-1/#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator>Mona Grayson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I know what you&#039;re talking about in terms of disappointment coming from wanting things to be different than they are. I notice it comes for me when I&#039;m wanting things to be different  AND I feel helpless to change things. 

I agree with you - there&#039;s nothing inherently wrong with wanting things to be different. That&#039;s how growth happens. We don&#039;t have tomatoes and we want there to be something different in our kitchen (presence of tomatoes) so we go buy some. Nothing stressful about that. 

So sometimes we can want something to be different and it can be empowering because we realize there are things we can do. Actions we can take that will get us closer toward what we want. 

But when we don&#039;t feel like there&#039;s anything we can do, and we don&#039;t see actions we can take, or there isn&#039;t a way that we can affect things, that can be such a huge bummer. 

Like wanting new tomatoes but then telling ourselves we don&#039;t have enough money for them, or they&#039;re not tasty, or in season, or it&#039;s too far, or I&#039;d have to get gas first, and I don&#039;t have enough time, etc. That&#039;s a recipe for disappointment related to wanting things to be different because we&#039;re not seeing possibilities for how it could actually happen.

Love that you&#039;re paying attention to yourself as you go through disappointment and desiring and all this stuff. I&#039;ve been through many health challenges that have debilitated me in the past so I&#039;m relating to your situation through my own story - really all that&#039;s possible, eh? xoxox

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Mona Grayson’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.monagrayson.com/2-weeks-on-raw-food-diet-without-eating-nuts/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2 Weeks On Raw Food Diet Without Eating Nuts&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I know what you&#8217;re talking about in terms of disappointment coming from wanting things to be different than they are. I notice it comes for me when I&#8217;m wanting things to be different  AND I feel helpless to change things. </p>
<p>I agree with you &#8211; there&#8217;s nothing inherently wrong with wanting things to be different. That&#8217;s how growth happens. We don&#8217;t have tomatoes and we want there to be something different in our kitchen (presence of tomatoes) so we go buy some. Nothing stressful about that. </p>
<p>So sometimes we can want something to be different and it can be empowering because we realize there are things we can do. Actions we can take that will get us closer toward what we want. </p>
<p>But when we don&#8217;t feel like there&#8217;s anything we can do, and we don&#8217;t see actions we can take, or there isn&#8217;t a way that we can affect things, that can be such a huge bummer. </p>
<p>Like wanting new tomatoes but then telling ourselves we don&#8217;t have enough money for them, or they&#8217;re not tasty, or in season, or it&#8217;s too far, or I&#8217;d have to get gas first, and I don&#8217;t have enough time, etc. That&#8217;s a recipe for disappointment related to wanting things to be different because we&#8217;re not seeing possibilities for how it could actually happen.</p>
<p>Love that you&#8217;re paying attention to yourself as you go through disappointment and desiring and all this stuff. I&#8217;ve been through many health challenges that have debilitated me in the past so I&#8217;m relating to your situation through my own story &#8211; really all that&#8217;s possible, eh? xoxox</p>
<p><abbr><em>Mona Grayson’s last blog post..<a href="http://www.monagrayson.com/2-weeks-on-raw-food-diet-without-eating-nuts/" rel="nofollow">2 Weeks On Raw Food Diet Without Eating Nuts</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Mahala Mazerov</title>
		<link>http://luminousheart.com/2009/06/meditation-on-suffering/comment-page-1/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>Mahala Mazerov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Judy ~&lt;/strong&gt; Thank you so much for taking time to share your beautiful perspective. Lots of good food for thought there. Desires *can* pull us forward in wonderful ways. The desire to be kind, desire to be of service, even the desire to be happy can move us in positive directions. 

At issue is the &lt;i&gt;clinging&lt;/i&gt; to desires, which ultimately create suffering for us. Given you wrote &quot;there are a zillion ways you can [be vibrantly alive and soak up love] ... Only one of which is to go to Boston&quot;  Clearly you understand what I&#039;m saying.

&lt;strong&gt;Michelle ~ &lt;/strong&gt;Thank you for your words. I&#039;m sorry to hear that you, too, struggle. I hope this post has helped in some small way. There are many things we have no power over. How we choose to respond is the one thing we have great power over.

&lt;strong&gt;ChristiaanH ~&lt;/strong&gt; &quot;once those conditions [of getting what we want] are met the rules change and we want something else.&quot; Brilliant and sadly true. 

You may be right this will never become mainstream awareness. Our consumer economy certainly does not support the concept of contentment or &quot;enough.&quot; In the meantime, we have the individual freedom to recognize this self-perpetuating cycle of unhappiness and to act with awareness as best we can.

&lt;strong&gt;Becky ~ &lt;/strong&gt; &quot;How can I do anything but except reality?&quot; It takes a kind of willingness to even do that, doesn&#039;t it? Mindfulness and meditation practice are great supports for admitting the challenge head. Easy to say, harder to do.  That&#039;s why it&#039;s called practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Judy ~</strong> Thank you so much for taking time to share your beautiful perspective. Lots of good food for thought there. Desires *can* pull us forward in wonderful ways. The desire to be kind, desire to be of service, even the desire to be happy can move us in positive directions. </p>
<p>At issue is the <i>clinging</i> to desires, which ultimately create suffering for us. Given you wrote &#8220;there are a zillion ways you can [be vibrantly alive and soak up love] &#8230; Only one of which is to go to Boston&#8221;  Clearly you understand what I&#8217;m saying.</p>
<p><strong>Michelle ~ </strong>Thank you for your words. I&#8217;m sorry to hear that you, too, struggle. I hope this post has helped in some small way. There are many things we have no power over. How we choose to respond is the one thing we have great power over.</p>
<p><strong>ChristiaanH ~</strong> &#8220;once those conditions [of getting what we want] are met the rules change and we want something else.&#8221; Brilliant and sadly true. </p>
<p>You may be right this will never become mainstream awareness. Our consumer economy certainly does not support the concept of contentment or &#8220;enough.&#8221; In the meantime, we have the individual freedom to recognize this self-perpetuating cycle of unhappiness and to act with awareness as best we can.</p>
<p><strong>Becky ~ </strong> &#8220;How can I do anything but except reality?&#8221; It takes a kind of willingness to even do that, doesn&#8217;t it? Mindfulness and meditation practice are great supports for admitting the challenge head. Easy to say, harder to do.  That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s called practice.</p>
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		<title>By: Becky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve recently come back to attempting to practice mindfulness and acceptance, and wow, it&#039;s a challenge. Especially when situations like the one you&#039;ve described come up, and you can imagine alternate versions of reality that would be so much easier to accept. (For example, the overpass not having graffiti on it; land developers not chopping down trees). That&#039;s the wall I come up against again and again. Then, every once in a while, I get it and say, okay, yeah, this makes sense. How can I do anything but accept reality? I mean, it&#039;s already there. But, man, it&#039;s a challenge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve recently come back to attempting to practice mindfulness and acceptance, and wow, it&#8217;s a challenge. Especially when situations like the one you&#8217;ve described come up, and you can imagine alternate versions of reality that would be so much easier to accept. (For example, the overpass not having graffiti on it; land developers not chopping down trees). That&#8217;s the wall I come up against again and again. Then, every once in a while, I get it and say, okay, yeah, this makes sense. How can I do anything but accept reality? I mean, it&#8217;s already there. But, man, it&#8217;s a challenge.</p>
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		<title>By: CHristiaanh</title>
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		<dc:creator>CHristiaanh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a wondrous post on suffering. Really and eye-opener in so many ways. Indeed all suffering comes from things to be different than they are right now. What&#039;s more, once those conditions are met the rules change and we want something else. 

Wanting, needing, craving... it stands in the way of experiencing joy in our every day life. Sometime it&#039;s called Hedonic adaptation, no longer being content with what you have. (Even if it is everything you dreamed of a few months ago)

I doubt this thought will become mainstream though. As soon as we&#039;re content with what we have the economy will crash because as consumers we&#039;re defective. 

Thank you for this post.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;CHristiaanh’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://mindthebeginner.wordpress.com/2009/06/08/stoic-psychological-tactics-part-four-self-denial/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Stoic psychological tactics part four: Self-Denial&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a wondrous post on suffering. Really and eye-opener in so many ways. Indeed all suffering comes from things to be different than they are right now. What&#8217;s more, once those conditions are met the rules change and we want something else. </p>
<p>Wanting, needing, craving&#8230; it stands in the way of experiencing joy in our every day life. Sometime it&#8217;s called Hedonic adaptation, no longer being content with what you have. (Even if it is everything you dreamed of a few months ago)</p>
<p>I doubt this thought will become mainstream though. As soon as we&#8217;re content with what we have the economy will crash because as consumers we&#8217;re defective. </p>
<p>Thank you for this post.</p>
<p><abbr><em>CHristiaanh’s last blog post..<a href="http://mindthebeginner.wordpress.com/2009/06/08/stoic-psychological-tactics-part-four-self-denial/" rel="nofollow">Stoic psychological tactics part four: Self-Denial</a></em></abbr></p>
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